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Channel 2 Australian ABC TV:4 Corners: How Telstra staff killed themselves at Telstra call center Melbourne
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g***@gmail.com
2007-06-18 11:03:27 UTC
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It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is
mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers is
ignore.

What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.

This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are
mentally tortured, does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer
like myself>>

I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.

Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.

Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?

Georges
Rod Speed
2007-06-18 18:59:22 UTC
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It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is mostly
interested by selling new services and helping consumers is ignore.
Just because someone said that doesnt make it gospel, fool.
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
Not one eh ? Wota silly little fuckwit child.
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are mentally tortured,
Not even possible, most of them havent actually got a brain.
does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer like myself>>
Try that in english, wogchild.
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Bet that will get the telstra suits pouring from their windows like lemmings for sure.
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Try that in english, wogchild.
g***@gmail.com
2007-06-19 10:50:54 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is mostly
interested by selling new services and helping consumers is ignore.
Just because someone said that doesnt make it gospel, fool.
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
Not one eh ? Wota silly little fuckwit child.
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are mentally tortured,
Not even possible, most of them havent actually got a brain.
does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer like myself>>
Try that in english, wogchild.
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Bet that will get the telstra suits pouring from their windows like lemmings for sure.
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Try that in english, wogchild.
Sie haben die Sprache von einem Schwein. Was macht jene Ihre Mutter?

Georges
Rod Speed
2007-06-19 19:11:00 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia
is mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers
is ignore.
Just because someone said that doesnt make it gospel, fool.
Post by g***@gmail.com
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
Not one eh ? Wota silly little fuckwit child.
Post by g***@gmail.com
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are mentally tortured,
Not even possible, most of them havent actually got a brain.
Post by g***@gmail.com
does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer like myself>>
Try that in english, wogchild.
Post by g***@gmail.com
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Bet that will get the telstra suits pouring from their windows like lemmings for sure.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Try that in english, wogchild.
Sie haben die Sprache von einem Schwein. Was macht jene Ihre Mutter?
Fuck off, wogboy.
g***@gmail.com
2007-06-19 10:57:43 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is mostly
interested by selling new services and helping consumers is ignore.
Just because someone said that doesnt make it gospel, fool.
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
Not one eh ? Wota silly little fuckwit child.
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are mentally tortured,
Not even possible, most of them havent actually got a brain.
does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer like myself>>
Try that in english, wogchild.
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Bet that will get the telstra suits pouring from their windows like lemmings for sure.
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Try that in english, wogchild.
Here is for your interest and educative value the program I am talking
about.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1954636.htm

Georges
Rod Speed
2007-06-19 19:12:49 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia
is mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers
is ignore.
Just because someone said that doesnt make it gospel, fool.
Post by g***@gmail.com
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
Not one eh ? Wota silly little fuckwit child.
Post by g***@gmail.com
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are mentally tortured,
Not even possible, most of them havent actually got a brain.
Post by g***@gmail.com
does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer like myself>>
Try that in english, wogchild.
Post by g***@gmail.com
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Bet that will get the telstra suits pouring from their windows like lemmings for sure.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Try that in english, wogchild.
Here is for your interest and educative value the program I am talking about.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1954636.htm
Seen it already, wogchild.
Mr.T
2007-06-19 02:13:16 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is
mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers is
ignore.
Yep, just like all the banks, airlines etc.
Post by g***@gmail.com
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
You are just realising this?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Well the CEO is, but the new corporate attitude is very much John Howard's
Australia unfortunately.

MrT.
g***@gmail.com
2007-06-20 08:58:17 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is
mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers is
ignore.
Yep, just like all the banks, airlines etc.
Post by g***@gmail.com
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
You are just realising this?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Well the CEO is, but the new corporate attitude is very much John Howard's
Australia unfortunately.
MrT.
Yep, this is total control. Which translate by full dictatorship.

Yes John Howards is the control of "masses" people.

John Howard does not understand how the internet works.

He is still living in the past.

The old philosophy of patronizing a few 100 people instead of a
million of business people.

100 People * 1 million AU$ = 100 millions

1million people * 100 AU$ = 100 millions

The reason in all this is the war in Iraq which cost 2 billions per
months.

This is why the infrastructure of Australia is neglected.

Because the money is spent on wars which do not benefit any one in
Australia
except the 100 people I am talking about.

Georges
thegoons
2007-06-22 16:14:46 UTC
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whys dos yous puts ans unnecessarys "s" ons thes ends ofs mosts wordss,
includings yours owns names wogchilds?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Post by Mr.T
Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is
mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers is
ignore.
Yep, just like all the banks, airlines etc.
Post by g***@gmail.com
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
You are just realising this?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
Well the CEO is, but the new corporate attitude is very much John Howard's
Australia unfortunately.
MrT.
Yep, this is total control. Which translate by full dictatorship.
Yes John Howards is the control of "masses" people.
John Howard does not understand how the internet works.
He is still living in the past.
The old philosophy of patronizing a few 100 people instead of a
million of business people.
100 People * 1 million AU$ = 100 millions
1million people * 100 AU$ = 100 millions
The reason in all this is the war in Iraq which cost 2 billions per
months.
This is why the infrastructure of Australia is neglected.
Because the money is spent on wars which do not benefit any one in
Australia
except the 100 people I am talking about.
Georges
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Kralizec Craig
2007-06-21 21:06:33 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
It is clearly said in the 4 corners report that Telstra Australia is
mostly interested by selling new services and helping consumers is
ignore.
What a world the Telstra world.....
It is called money ... profit and no services what so ever.
It's called Sol.Land (tm). aka NowWeAreSpruiking.com.au
Post by g***@gmail.com
This 4 corners document implies << if Telstra Australia staffs are
mentally tortured, does that mean Telstra consumer torture consumer
like myself>>
I think Telstra Australia torture their own consumer for profit.
Telstra Australia is Un_Australian.
That's been the case ever since Telecom was changed to become Telstra. Until
then we still had affordable basic line rentals with no bullshit bundled
services most people don't want or need, and it didn't take hours to sort
out 'outside the square' billing problems which thesedays require
call-centre supervisors to intervene and solve.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just guess who is had the head of Telstra Australia?
Depends which half of the company you look from. Part is owned by all
taxpaying Australians, and the other half is owned by a subset of that (ie.
'private' shareholders) plus a small bunch of instituional shareholders.

Telstra's primary business objective is to produce profit returns for
shareholders - not to provide low-cost, affordable services to 99.9999999
percent of Austalians.

Regards,

Craig.
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Mr.T
2007-06-22 07:08:34 UTC
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Post by Kralizec Craig
Depends which half of the company you look from. Part is owned by all
taxpaying Australians, and the other half is owned by a subset of that (ie.
'private' shareholders) plus a small bunch of instituional shareholders.
Did you miss the T3 sale? All of the company is owned by shareholders
looking for maximum returns.
Service is NOT a consideration in such cases, just as happened when the
government banks were privatised.
Network construction and re-investment has diminished as have the number of
maintenance staff. The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has
risen greatly though.
All totally predictable, and predicted by many, especially those with the
vested interests who stood to gain most from promoting privatisation. Of
course they don't admit it publicly though :-)

MrT.
Rod Speed
2007-06-22 07:56:58 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Kralizec Craig
Depends which half of the company you look from. Part is owned by all
taxpaying Australians, and the other half is owned by a subset of that
(ie. 'private' shareholders) plus a small bunch of instituional shareholders.
Did you miss the T3 sale?
You clearly missed the detail.
Post by Mr.T
All of the company is owned by shareholders looking for maximum returns.
Wrong, the govt still owns a substantial percentage.

And not all of the non govt shareholders want a maximum return in the sense of dividends either.
Post by Mr.T
Service is NOT a consideration in such cases,
Wrong again. If they dont provide a decent service, they wont be providing maximum returns.
Post by Mr.T
just as happened when the government banks were privatised.
Wrong again. Nothing like that happened with those either.
Post by Mr.T
Network construction and re-investment has diminished
Thats arguable, some areas have increased most obviously with the NextG network.
Post by Mr.T
as have the number of maintenance staff.
Because the stuff that required the most maintenance has been replaced.
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
No it hasnt.
Post by Mr.T
All totally predictable, and predicted by many, especially those
with the vested interests who stood to gain most from promoting
privatisation. Of course they don't admit it publicly though :-)
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
Michael J
2007-06-23 11:18:13 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
All of the company is owned by shareholders looking for maximum returns.
Wrong, the govt still owns a substantial percentage.
Not really, the Future Fund owns it, and not for too long either
Post by Rod Speed
And not all of the non govt shareholders want a maximum return in the
sense of dividends either.
Post by Mr.T
Service is NOT a consideration in such cases,
Wrong again. If they dont provide a decent service, they wont be providing maximum returns.
Agreed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
Network construction and re-investment has diminished
Thats arguable, some areas have increased most obviously with the NextG network.
And the NextIP network.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
as have the number of maintenance staff.
Because the stuff that required the most maintenance has been replaced.
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.

They are AXE and they just work
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
Rod Speed
2007-06-23 21:25:25 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
All of the company is owned by shareholders looking for maximum returns.
Wrong, the govt still owns a substantial percentage.
Not really,
Yes really.
Post by Michael J
the Future Fund owns it,
Still the govt, stupid.
Post by Michael J
and not for too long either
Wrong again. You watch.
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
And not all of the non govt shareholders want a maximum return in the sense of dividends either.
Post by Mr.T
Service is NOT a consideration in such cases,
Wrong again. If they dont provide a decent service, they wont be providing maximum returns.
Agreed
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
Network construction and re-investment has diminished
Thats arguable, some areas have increased most obviously with the NextG network.
And the NextIP network.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
as have the number of maintenance staff.
Because the stuff that required the most maintenance has been replaced.
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
And S12
Post by Michael J
and they just work
Or require a hell of a lot less maintenance, anyway.
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
Michael J
2007-06-25 08:26:20 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
All of the company is owned by shareholders looking for maximum returns.
Wrong, the govt still owns a substantial percentage.
Not really,
Yes really.
Post by Michael J
the Future Fund owns it,
Still the govt, stupid.
At arms length
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and not for too long either
Wrong again. You watch.
OK.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
as have the number of maintenance staff.
Because the stuff that required the most maintenance has been replaced.
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
And S12
Yep. Both as reliable as each other
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and they just work
Or require a hell of a lot less maintenance, anyway.
Yep. Less callouts, staff and outages
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
Rod Speed
2007-06-25 20:50:46 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
All of the company is owned by shareholders looking for maximum returns.
Wrong, the govt still owns a substantial percentage.
Not really,
Yes really.
Post by Michael J
the Future Fund owns it,
Still the govt, stupid.
At arms length
Still the govt, stupid.

And its no different on the maximum returns question anyway.
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and not for too long either
Wrong again. You watch.
OK.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
as have the number of maintenance staff.
Because the stuff that required the most maintenance has been replaced.
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
And S12
Yep. Both as reliable as each other
Not really, more farting around with S12.
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and they just work
Or require a hell of a lot less maintenance, anyway.
Yep. Less callouts, staff and outages
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
Mr.T
2007-06-26 09:14:03 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
And S12
Yep. Both as reliable as each other
So no real change in the last 30 years then?
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and they just work
Or require a hell of a lot less maintenance, anyway.
Than what, 60 YO Strowger switches?
Your point being?
Post by Michael J
Yep. Less callouts, staff and outages
Than 50 years ago?
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen
greatly
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Post by Rod Speed
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Post by Mr.T
though.
Crap.
I'm glad all those extra call centre staff have nothing to do then, I wonder
why they complain so much?

MrT.
Kwyjibo
2007-06-26 09:47:14 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
No it's not you fucking tool.
ARE and ARF were crossbar, and replaced with AXE/S12 throughout the 90's.
AXE is fully digital (with the exception of a single analogue AXE exchange
that was installed in Endeavour Hills for a short period of time)
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
And S12
Yep. Both as reliable as each other
So no real change in the last 30 years then?
Only if you are stupid enough to think that AXE is crossbar. It's not.

Got any other pearls of ignorance you'd like to share with us? I could do
with a laugh.
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Mr.T
2007-06-27 05:02:01 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
No it's not you fucking tool.
ARE and ARF were crossbar,
OK sorry, I was thinking of ARE, however AXE has been around in Australia
since 1981, that is LONG before privatisation.
Post by Kwyjibo
and replaced with AXE/S12 throughout the 90's.
And AXE throughout the 80's too it would seem.

The real shame is that Telecom Australia had proposed a fibre to the home
network throughout metropolitan Australia, within ten years, about fifteen
years ago. Now we are still arguing over when we might get a fibre to the
node network from someone , in the other capital cities. Meanwhile they were
forced to abandon a Billion dollar AMPS network, duplication of fibre to the
home for pay TV in some Sydney and Melbourne homes, and triplication, or
more, of digital mobile phone towers/infrastucture in some areas, while
others miss out altogether. Not that many will admit the experiment has
failed.

The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much or more
than they have since.

MrT.
Rod Speed
2007-06-27 08:52:27 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
No it's not you fucking tool.
ARE and ARF were crossbar,
OK sorry, I was thinking of ARE, however AXE has been around in
Australia since 1981, that is LONG before privatisation.
Post by Kwyjibo
and replaced with AXE/S12 throughout the 90's.
And AXE throughout the 80's too it would seem.
The real shame is that Telecom Australia had proposed a fibre to the
home network throughout metropolitan Australia, within ten years,
about fifteen years ago.
No they never did.
Post by Mr.T
Now we are still arguing over when we might
get a fibre to the node network from someone , in the other capital
cities. Meanwhile they were forced to abandon a Billion dollar AMPS
network, duplication of fibre to the home for pay TV in some Sydney
and Melbourne homes,
They didnt do that either.
Post by Mr.T
and triplication, or more, of digital mobile phone
towers/infrastucture in some areas, while others miss out
altogether.
Fuck all that matter miss out.
Post by Mr.T
Not that many will admit the experiment has failed.
It hasnt failed, it leaves what we had with the monopoly for dead.
Post by Mr.T
The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much
or more than they have since.
Pig ignorant lie.
Kwyjibo
2007-06-27 13:47:16 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
No it's not you fucking tool.
ARE and ARF were crossbar,
OK sorry, I was thinking of ARE, however AXE has been around in Australia
since 1981, that is LONG before privatisation.
Post by Kwyjibo
and replaced with AXE/S12 throughout the 90's.
And AXE throughout the 80's too it would seem.
I started with them in the late 80s and there were only a handful of AXE
exchanges in use - And they were basically trial/experimental systems.
Even the major exchanges (Exhibition, Russel, Lonsdale in Melb for example)
were still crossbar.

FMO, which was the major push to get all exhanges digitised, was not kicked
off until 1996. (there were even a couple of step by step exchanges still
kicking around at that time)
Post by Mr.T
The real shame is that Telecom Australia had proposed a fibre to the home
network throughout metropolitan Australia, within ten years, about fifteen
years ago. Now we are still arguing over when we might get a fibre to the
node network from someone , in the other capital cities. Meanwhile they were
forced to abandon a Billion dollar AMPS network, duplication of fibre to the
home for pay TV in some Sydney and Melbourne homes, and triplication, or
more, of digital mobile phone towers/infrastucture in some areas, while
others miss out altogether. Not that many will admit the experiment has
failed.
The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much or more
than they have since.
Not even close.
Look at the ADSL rollout. There's no way Telecom/PMG would or could have
rolled out such technology in such a short period of time.
Mr.T
2007-06-28 09:15:27 UTC
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Post by Kwyjibo
I started with them in the late 80s and there were only a handful of AXE
exchanges in use - And they were basically trial/experimental systems.
Even the major exchanges (Exhibition, Russel, Lonsdale in Melb for example)
were still crossbar.
Sure, the major exchanges were not replaced first, but there were definitely
a lot more than trials in the 9 years between the Endevour Hills trial, and
the start of the 90's.
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much or
more than they have since.
Not even close.
Look at the ADSL rollout. There's no way Telecom/PMG would or could have
rolled out such technology in such a short period of time.
In your opinion, as someone with no prior experience before the "late 80's".
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long it
will take is unknown. Like the Foxtel optical cable rollout, they do a bit
then stop.
There are major suburban areas still using pair gain systems after all, and
let's not start on broadband in many country towns.

MrT.
Kwyjibo
2007-06-28 09:36:50 UTC
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Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Kwyjibo
I started with them in the late 80s and there were only a handful of AXE
exchanges in use - And they were basically trial/experimental systems.
Even the major exchanges (Exhibition, Russel, Lonsdale in Melb for
example)
Post by Kwyjibo
were still crossbar.
Sure, the major exchanges were not replaced first, but there were definitely
a lot more than trials in the 9 years between the Endevour Hills trial, and
the start of the 90's.
Correct, but they came nowhere near being in the majority.
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much or
more than they have since.
Not even close.
Look at the ADSL rollout. There's no way Telecom/PMG would or could have
rolled out such technology in such a short period of time.
In your opinion, as someone with no prior experience before the "late 80's".
That would only be correct if you made the silly assumption that I had no
prior experience with Telecom prior to becoming an employee.
Post by Kwyjibo
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long it
will take is unknown.
They got it to 90% of the population a hell of a lot quicker than it took
the PMG to get phones lines to that many.
They rolled out their HFC network a lot faster than the old PMG ever would
have too.
Post by Kwyjibo
Like the Foxtel optical cable rollout, they do a bit
then stop.
There are major suburban areas still using pair gain systems
Due to idiotic government planning departments insisting that suburbs grow
out rather than up.
Post by Kwyjibo
after all, and
let's not start on broadband in many country towns.
Mr.T
2007-06-28 12:08:35 UTC
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Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long it
will take is unknown.
They got it to 90% of the population a hell of a lot quicker than it took
the PMG to get phones lines to that many.
They have yet to reach 90%.
Post by Kwyjibo
They rolled out their HFC network a lot faster than the old PMG ever would
have too.
The concept of improving technology, reducing prices and increasing demand
escapes you then.
Maybe the fact that the same thing has happened in other countries has also
escaped your attention?
Post by Kwyjibo
Due to idiotic government planning departments insisting that suburbs grow
out rather than up.
And that never happened in the PMG/Telecom days did it? :-)

MrT.
Rod Speed
2007-06-28 18:47:34 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Kwyjibo
I started with them in the late 80s and there were only a handful of
AXE exchanges in use - And they were basically trial/experimental
systems. Even the major exchanges (Exhibition, Russel, Lonsdale in
Melb for example) were still crossbar.
Sure, the major exchanges were not replaced first, but there were
definitely a lot more than trials in the 9 years between the Endevour
Hills trial, and the start of the 90's.
Post by Kwyjibo
Post by Mr.T
The fact is that network reliability improved, and customer costs
continually reduced in the 70 years prior to privatisation, as much
or more than they have since.
Not even close.
Look at the ADSL rollout. There's no way Telecom/PMG would or could
have rolled out such technology in such a short period of time.
In your opinion, as someone with no prior experience before the "late
80's". However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so
how long it will take is unknown. Like the Foxtel optical cable
rollout, they do a bit then stop.
There are major suburban areas still using pair gain systems after all,
Nope, and rims can do adsl now anyway.
Post by Mr.T
and let's not start on broadband in many country towns.
Bet you cant list even a single one with no adsl.
Michael J
2007-07-01 03:55:04 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long it
No, they aren't.

How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.

In any case, what % of the population do the enabled exchanges cover? Gotta
be at least 80%
Mr.T
2007-07-01 07:12:17 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long it
No, they aren't.
How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.
It's CUSTOMER lines that are important, NOT the number of exchanges.
Post by Michael J
In any case, what % of the population do the enabled exchanges cover? Gotta
be at least 80%
Does pulling figures out of your arse help your argument?

MrT.
Michael J
2007-07-02 09:41:15 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long
it
Post by Michael J
No, they aren't.
How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.
It's CUSTOMER lines that are important, NOT the number of exchanges.
Wrong.

Root cause analysis - if your exchange is not adsl enabled, then you cannot
have ADSL at all

ADSL enabled exchanges are the most important goal
Mr.T
2007-07-03 04:15:40 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long
it
Post by Michael J
No, they aren't.
How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.
It's CUSTOMER lines that are important, NOT the number of exchanges.
Wrong.
Root cause analysis - if your exchange is not adsl enabled, then you cannot
have ADSL at all
No shit Sherlock!!!

Even IF your exchange is DSL enabled doesn't guarantee YOU can get it!

MrT.
Michael J
2007-07-07 03:19:24 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how
long
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
it
Post by Michael J
No, they aren't.
How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.
It's CUSTOMER lines that are important, NOT the number of exchanges.
Wrong.
Root cause analysis - if your exchange is not adsl enabled, then you
cannot
Post by Michael J
have ADSL at all
No shit Sherlock!!!
Even IF your exchange is DSL enabled doesn't guarantee YOU can get it!
Exactly, which indicates covering the country with ADSL-enabled exchanges is
MORE important than any other type of activity to provide broadband
Post by Mr.T
MrT.
Mr.T
2007-07-07 09:05:44 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Michael J
Root cause analysis - if your exchange is not adsl enabled, then you
cannot have ADSL at all
No shit Sherlock!!!
Even IF your exchange is DSL enabled doesn't guarantee YOU can get it!
Exactly, which indicates covering the country with ADSL-enabled exchanges is
MORE important than any other type of activity to provide broadband
NO!!!!!!
It means *BOTH* are required for a person to get ADSL. If *EITHER* is
missing, then the other is irrelevant to them.

MrT.

Michael J
2007-07-02 09:41:28 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
However many people are still waiting for the ADSL rollout, so how long
it
Post by Michael J
No, they aren't.
How many exchanges in Aus DONT have ADSL1 now? There cant be that many.
It's CUSTOMER lines that are important, NOT the number of exchanges.
Post by Michael J
In any case, what % of the population do the enabled exchanges cover?
Gotta
Post by Michael J
be at least 80%
Does pulling figures out of your arse help your argument?
If you dont know the figures then you can go fuck yourself
Post by Mr.T
MrT.
Mr.T
2007-07-03 04:12:33 UTC
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Post by Michael J
If you dont know the figures then you can go fuck yourself
Is that how you came by yours then?

MrT.
Michael J
2007-07-01 03:55:23 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
There are major suburban areas still using pair gain systems after all, and
None of which is relevant to ENABLING AN EXCHANGE for ADSL
Mr.T
2007-07-01 07:09:22 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
There are major suburban areas still using pair gain systems after all, and
None of which is relevant to ENABLING AN EXCHANGE for ADSL
And which of course is totally irrelevant to those on pair gain systems that
are told they cannot have ADSL!
The customer coudn't give a rat's what the exchage is, if he can't get what
he want's anyway.

MrT.
Rod Speed
2007-06-26 10:00:29 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
Not a fucking clue, as always.
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
And S12
Yep. Both as reliable as each other
So no real change in the last 30 years then?
Not a fucking clue, as always.
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
and they just work
Or require a hell of a lot less maintenance, anyway.
Than what, 60 YO Strowger switches?
Not a fucking clue, as always.
Post by Mr.T
Your point being?
Post by Michael J
Yep. Less callouts, staff and outages
Than 50 years ago?
Not a fucking clue, as always.
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Michael J
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen> greatly though.
Crap.
I'm glad all those extra call centre staff
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
Post by Mr.T
have nothing to do then, I wonder why they complain so much?
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
Michael J
2007-06-27 07:44:00 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
They are AXE
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
Nope
Mr.T
2007-06-28 09:01:53 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
HaHa. AXE *IS* X-bar!
Nope
Already covered. I was thinking of ARE.
Mea Culpa.

MrT.
Mr.T
2007-06-25 06:31:50 UTC
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Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
True, but I was talking about ten years ago, NOT 40.
Post by Michael J
They are AXE and they just work
In fact most AXE equipment has been replaced. And since that technology is
25+ years old, it hardly explains why they had around 10-20,000 more
technical staff 10 years ago.
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
The figures for the number of call centre staff are indisputable. Their main
duty is to deflect complaints and sell you more services instead.

MrT.
Rod Speed
2007-06-25 20:53:03 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
True, but I was talking about ten years ago, NOT 40.
Post by Michael J
They are AXE and they just work
In fact most AXE equipment has been replaced.
No it hasnt.
Post by Mr.T
And since that technology is 25+ years old, it hardly explains why
they had around 10-20,000 more technical staff 10 years ago.
It took a long time to get rid of all the crossbar.
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen greatly though.
Crap.
The figures for the number of call centre staff are indisputable.
Pity you're lying about the numbers.
Post by Mr.T
Their main duty is to deflect complaints and sell you more services instead.
Another bare faced lie.
Michael J
2007-06-27 07:43:32 UTC
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Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Yep, we dont have cross bar and step-by-step exchanges any more.
True, but I was talking about ten years ago, NOT 40.
Post by Michael J
They are AXE and they just work
In fact most AXE equipment has been replaced. And since that technology is
Nope, at least half, if not more, of PSTN exchanges are AXE.
Post by Mr.T
Post by Michael J
Post by Mr.T
The number of staff handling customer complaint calls has risen
greatly
though.
Crap.
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